How much oil?

[sideoilerfe]

That proves nothing. It says nothing about the difference in the pan, which there is.

[Dragon]

It has nothing to do with the pan size. He asked the capacity differences.

My 2 FEs now have 6 with filter. My 68 SWB had 6 stock with the 352 and 8 racing with the 390. So what are you getting at I never said your 4 by pan was not 6 with Filter. Car FEs are 5 with Filter but the over 60 FEs I have worked on or built for fun and race came with 6 with filter on truck pans. 4 by or 2 by.

[averagef250]

I can tell you there's a large size difference between the FE car and 4x2 truck oil pans. I cannot remember doing a 2wd FE oil change and how many quarts it took, but can darn near gaurantee there is a difference in how much the cars hold and how much the 2wd trucks hold. The car pan is quite a bit shallower.

I do know for fact the 4x4's hold 6 with the filter.

[Dragon]

I did not say they did not but all trucks with the original pan and or FE engine was 6 qts.

Most cars had low pans that were longer in the sump than trucks which on 4*2s were deeper but shorter sumps. A car pan almost does not drip on the cross member in a truck but has an inch more clearance. So why did Ford do that stupid sump that runs on the cross member. 4*4 pans had real long sumps but were shallower to clear the different cross member and had the oil pick up in the rear sump. 6 qts with filter.

http://image.4wheeloffroad.com/f/902076 ... d_03_z.jpg

Front Sump Truck Pickup.jpg

Rear 4by4 pickup.jpg

[averagef250]

Dragon, that picture is not a 4x4 pickup tube, it's an industrial FT style.

I don't get why Ford used the front sump pans in the 2wd trucks. The rear sump pans fit great and don't dump your oil all over the frame.

[Dragon]

True but I pulled a few 390 4x4 pans and they had a tube almost just like that so they would not loose oil pressure on steep climbs.

[sideoilerfe]

...but all trucks with the original pan and or FE engine was 6 qts.

Not the 4x2's.

I've had plenty of 4x2' s with FE's and ALL of them took 5 quarts including the filter. The only ones that I had that took 6 were the 4x4's.

[Dragon]

I worked exclusively for Ford in Truck shops and though I had a few cars with FEs I have had all 9 of my 67-72 trucks with FEs and except for my 71 I drive now they all took 6 with filter.

I have a 69 with a 360 and the 390 car engine in my 71 and stock truck pans they take 6.

[sideoilerfe]

I'm not going to argue anymore. All 4 of my FE 4x2's took 5 including filter, period. You can continue to overfill your trucks if you wish.

[DuckRyder]

For the manual:

http://www.detroitironis.com/FordMotorCompany.html

I bought from them. I was disappointed. Low quality scans. Its just a bunch of images, no menu, kinda hard to use. You may get the whole set on ebay for that price. I bought the '70 set for less with shipping and it included an owners manual, and the dealer brochure too. Keep an eye on ebay. Ask here in the mean time.

Mine does have a rudimentary menu; also, they had to send me a new one because the old one would not run on Vista, the new one is better. The customer service was good and the gentleman seems genuinely interested in feedback. I like being able to print a page or section and write on it or get oil or transmission fluid all over it without messing up the book. Katherine gets sick of flipping pages for me in other manuals.

I don't care what your book says, I've had 6 of these trucks, all FE's and ALL of my 4x2's took 5 Quarts with filter and the 4x4's take 6.. The 4x4 pans are bigger, period.

If you are going to be that way I don't care what you say. Here is the Ford scan and the pan is bigger on a 4*4 but does not really hold more it is arranged different.

O.K. I have to put my moderator hat on here.

Two members have each made differing assertions. One member has backed it up with documentation. Now that does not necessarily mean the documentation is correct however the other member has provided nothing concrete to refute it.

This is a discussion board, which means we discuss things (politely). If a member becomes immediately defensive and always states "XXXX is so, period" that does not help anyone, it also does not support that person’s position, and it is unlikely that an independent reader would be swayed to that position. Therefore, if that member’s wish is to provide assistance (and if he or she is here, we must assume it is) the best way to do that is to document the position with publications, experience and empirical evidence. We must also be willing to accept the possibility that we are mistaken.

Now, it is perfectly acceptable to agree to disagree, which is the thing to do when you are sure your mind will not be changed. However with the agreement to disagree comes the responsibility to discontinue the further defense of the assertion as well as the attack on the opposing assertion.

With that, I think this thread has run its course.