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spartman · Post by **spartman** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 10:11 am

Might as well get the 4 speed now since that is the direction you are heading in the future.

sargentrs · Post by **sargentrs** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 10:38 am

If I get a 4spd now with the 302 and I up it to a big block, say, a 390, it'll need a bell housing change, won't it?

spartman · Post by **spartman** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 10:55 am

Yeah it will but so would the 303.

Bel

sargentrs · Post by **sargentrs** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 11:43 am

Thanks for the input!

spartman · Post by **spartman** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 11:56 am

No problem

MadMaxetc · Post by **MadMaxetc** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 12:05 pm

The 4speed and the 3speed have the same bolt paturn (Toploader) so if you are going to go to a 4speed you may as well do it now.

If you cange the engine to a BB then you will have to use a bell that matches the engine. The 302 bell will only work on 289/302/351W blocks

good luck

sargentrs · Post by **sargentrs** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 1:28 pm

Not a toploader. Levers are on the side. Am I wrong about the trans?

MadMaxetc · Post by **MadMaxetc** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 6:46 pm

Toploader refers to the Plate on Top where you would "Load" the guts. Some have levers on the side, some have the shifter on top. Both are Toploaders. they had the same bolt patern to the bell.

sargentrs · Post by **sargentrs** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 7:31 pm

My apologies. I thought toploader, specifically, meant you could install a shifter in the top of it, replacing the cover. I'm told this can't be done if it has side levers. True?

Forgive my ignorance. I'm an OK parts replacement guy but the technical aspects are a bit above me, for now.

averagef250 · Post by **averagef250** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 8:51 pm

Transmissions come in all shapes and sizes. The end the transmission loads from is a big help determining which model you're working on. There are top load, side load, bottom load and most newer transmissions are front or center loading with preloaded tapered bearings to make assembly even funner!

That's why your NP435 costs $450 to build and your ZF 6 speed runs you $2000. The guy doing the work needs to know his sh*t.

You're far better off just swapping a 4 speed. an NP435 will last you forever under the toughest conditions as long as you know how not to abuse it. You eliminate the column shifter junk that wears out and costs a lot to fix and get an extra gear to play with.

sargentrs · Post by **sargentrs** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 5:25 am

Thanks, guys!

MadMaxetc · Post by **MadMaxetc** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:45 am

Just to be a pain...

What about a 4-speed column shift?

You will be happy with the 4-speed

spartman · Post by **spartman** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:46 am

MadMaxetc wrote:Just to be a pain...

What about a 4-speed column shift?

You will be happy with the 4-speed

Bite your tounge young man!!!!

71PA_Highboy · Post by **71PA_Highboy** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 8:53 am

I would suggest a 351W stroked to 393 and a ZF5 speed with a GT40 Fuel injection.

Good gas mileage, good performance, and an OD.

JMHO,

eric

sargentrs · Post by **sargentrs** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 2:10 pm

Will that work out OK with my 3.89 gears?

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